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Larry Vickers
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posted 02-25-2002 22:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Vickers   Click Here to Email Larry Vickers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got to fill you guys in on one of the best kept secrets in the industry.

If you have never heard anything about the SAKO TRG 22 and 42 sniper rifles listen up.

These guns are very well made and designed, and have a SUPERB reputation for extreme accuracy.

Best part of it is they are still very reasonably priced compared to other guns on the market.

I like the design much better than the Accuracy International rifles and they are about HALF the money!

Quick story; My buddy Ken Hackathorn was doing a class recently for some foreigners who were in the market for some .338 Lapua sniper rifles. They had T&E samples of the SAKO TRG 42, a Robar SR 90, and another custom bolt gun to evaluate.

At first Ken was very lukewarm toward the TRG 42 - not having any real personal experience with it, he just thought it was another 'rail' type bolt gun from europe.

By the end of the training session that week the TRG 42 had the undivided attention of everyone there - It had COMPLETELY dominated the other two guns, to the point of being ridiculous.

The finishing touch was when one of the visitors shot a 5 shot group at 300 yds that measured 1 5/8 inches.

Needless to say the T&E gun was purchased and the TRG 42 had everyone talking to themselves.

I just ordered a TRG 22 ( .308 ) complete with bipod, scope mount, and extra 10 rd magazine - I got a GREAT deal.

I can't tell you what it is but bottom line is this - this gun is an absolute DEMON - word is the factory will not ship it if it does not shoot 1/2 inch at 100 meters ( I will confirm this at the IWA show this year with the SAKO reps ) - and for the money it is the best kept secret in the industry.

Don't expect this to last forever though - I know Hilton is pissed at me because I let the cat out of the bag before he could get his.

Sorry.

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gizmo78
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posted 02-25-2002 22:48     Click Here to See the Profile for gizmo78   Click Here to Email gizmo78     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Larry,

What price is the Sako TRG-22 with all the goodies that you specified running at? I really need to get a new rifle. Mines about to go into the collectors bin.

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JGage
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posted 02-25-2002 23:56     Click Here to See the Profile for JGage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea and it'll be a real PITA to get one now that GUNS Magazine did an article on one.
The prices on them are VERY fair. SAKO makes good stuff.

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Larry Vickers
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posted 02-26-2002 07:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Vickers   Click Here to Email Larry Vickers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys call Todd green at Beretta USA - tell him I told you to call - he is LE/Mil sales but will get you squared away for one of the guns through a distributor or a salesman.

Your gun will be backordered as is mine but get it before the prices go up which is inevitable

Good Luck

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Mad Dog
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posted 02-26-2002 10:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sako rifles have a lot of great features.
Superb Trigger.
Excellent barrel quality.
Well made stocks.
Superb accuracy out of the box.
I used to shoot Sako rifles a lot.


However:
Sako is making their actions a little differently than they did in the old days. The recoil lugs are now a piece of aluminum angle that is bedded into the stock instead of a forged part of the receiver itself.
The receiver has a little boss of steel about 3/8" wide and .1" high that sits in a little hole in the aluminum extrusion.
This was brought about when Sako went to parts commonality (lower costs) on their Tikka and Sako receivers.

Also, Sako extractors are subject to being blown out of the bolt and into the lug race in the event of an overpressure round.
This is due to the pinless design of the extractor. Better than a Rem 700, but still fragile.

These are my only criticisms of an otherwise excellent and cost effective rifle system.

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YeeDude
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posted 02-26-2002 13:57     Click Here to See the Profile for YeeDude   Click Here to Email YeeDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FWIW, here are pictures of the rifle for those who haven't seen one before:


TRG 42 with green stock


TRG 22 with (optional) stainless barrel


TRG 22

Pictures from the Beretta Defence website. Spec page here

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Tuukka
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posted 02-26-2002 14:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuukka   Click Here to Email Tuukka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally, i have been preaching about Sako TRGs to the readers at AR15.com. I have not checked what the retail prices are there currently but all of the excellent features of the weapon have been mentioned here.

The TRG was one of the first along with AI AW rifle which were specifically made for sniping, not just customized from other weapons or weapon actions.

The prices for the Sako rifles rose considerably more than Tikka rifles after the Beretta purchase of Sako, atleast here in Finland.

The Finnish army adopted the Sako TRG42 as the Kiv2000 (Rifle 2000) with a Zeiss scope.

Mr Vickers, for what its worth, i can truly say you will not be disappointed with the TRG rifle.


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Wilson2
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posted 02-26-2002 18:15     Click Here to See the Profile for Wilson2   Click Here to Email Wilson2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Larry,

This information about the Sako TRG rifles doesn't surprise me although I was unaware of specifics on the TRGs.

I bought my first high power rifle for hunting more than 20 years ago and it was a Sako in .270 Win. That rifle was extremely accurate. I never shot it beyond 200 yards, however, I remember several practice groups at 200 yards that I could cover with a half dollar. I didn't measure groups back then, but I will never forget that rifle.

I saved and scraped up enough to buy it as a young Air Force service member. After almost 10 years of hard use, sadly, I lost the rifle when I was burglarized while out for a pizza. As a side note that can't be overstated, gun safes are more than worth their cost and trouble.

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Hilton Yam
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posted 02-26-2002 20:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Hilton Yam   Click Here to Email Hilton Yam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AAAHHHH! Larry - You just couldn't wait, could you?! Dammit, now I gotta get off my ass and sell some stuff to get one of these puppies.

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viper
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posted 02-26-2002 23:01     Click Here to See the Profile for viper   Click Here to Email viper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If only I had unlimited funds. Oh, well.

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Chrisf
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posted 02-26-2002 23:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Chrisf   Click Here to Email Chrisf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been saying Sako's TRG series are sleepers for years, the first time I saw a photo of one was in the smallarms wing at the school of inf, Waiouru , New Zealand in 1992.The school had held SWS trial's in sept' 1991, with a view to finding a replacement for the then aging Parker-Hale M-82's.The weapons tested included no less than 3- Remington M-700 based guns, Sako TRG-21,AI's L-96A1,Mauser SR-86,Steyr SSG P-II, Hart M-40A1 w/unertal, M-24,H-S Precision take-down gun,H&K MSG-90.The guns were used in dry and wet conditions, actions seperated from stocks, coated in mud and then screwed back together, and in general gave the guns a bad time, shoot them out to a max range of 1300m, only 3 guns made it past the 600m mark, the AI L-96A1, Sako's TRG-21 and Mauser's SR-86, the MSG-90 didn't much like going beyond 300m.The Steyr had major problems with a large zero shift between when the gun was DRY and WET, and in Waiouru it is mostly wet, and as the tester's could not keep the gun dry all the time, their answer was to keep the gun wet all the time, ie if by fluke it was sunny and dry ( very rare in Waiouru), they would just pour some water on it from canteen,also it suffered a complete stock failure, thru the palm swell area.In short only 2 weapons were demmed acceptable as possible replacements, the AI and the Sako entry,and when you crunch the data on both of thesegun's you will see the spec's in almost all area's are the same or similar.There are however 2 area's that they are quite different, 1, The cost, Sako's TRG is roughly 1/2 the price (read Bargin ),2,The Sako is quite a bit lighter in weight.In the end NZArmy went with the AI AW in 308 several years latter,the reason appears AI put together the better system package, ie Maxi-Kite night vision sights etc, also I expect that NZ's long standing Defence relations with the mother country helped as well.I spoke to one of the snipers involved in the trial, he said that half the testers liked the AI and half the Sako, about even, his veiw was that all liked the weight balance of the Sako, and as far as he was concerned the Sako was a easier and more shootable gun from real sniper positions, (ie weird and contorted firing positions,due to ground etc) the classic prone being rarily used, in this regard the Sako was easier to shoot.In 97 I brought a TRG-21, and found it to be fantastic,smooth ,accurate,and a real shooting machine,I was so impressed,3 years latter brought a second one, a TRG-41 in.338LM, had it threaded to take the new larger TRG-42 , 3-chamber muzzle brake, and a Reflex T-8M suppressor,fired 60rds at 100m breaking the barrel in, shoot just under 1 moa, and so I was not that impressed, however these where just starting rounds, when I went from FMJ to moly coated scenars and different powder ,I punched out a drop table on the computer, went out to my mates farm, and quickly wacked in a Fig 11 target (mansize,standing) at the max range we could shoot at quickly,his farm will allow more, but we were pushed for time.Lased the range at exactly 500yds', screwed the Reflex suppressor on ( only used the muzzle-brake in 1st 60rds as cleaning was easier during break in, the all shooting done with Reflex can on), fired 2 shoots,and thougt missed tgt , I think I was expecting to see the holes at 500yd, thru a 16x rifle scope, yeah right, closed up to 300 and took a look,2 holes' dead centre, less than 2" verticle seperation,this is a SERIOUS long range rifle, it seem's to print group size of 2.25" for 3-rds at 500yd, quite easliy, and this is with the large suppressor.To say I am impressed with these weapons would be a serious understatement.I recently sold the TRG-41,and the reason is so I can replace it with the improved TRG-42 model.If you are in the market for a real Mil-Spec SWS, and not a tricked up sporting rifle ( ie, M-700's ),which was designed as a economical hunting rifle, I would advise a look at the Sako TRG series, you will not be disappointed.

Chrisf

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JGage
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posted 02-27-2002 00:12     Click Here to See the Profile for JGage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although not a "long range" "sniper" rifle, I have a Sako '75 in 375h&h... Like I said, very nice rifles.

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Larry Vickers
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posted 02-27-2002 07:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Vickers   Click Here to Email Larry Vickers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like I started an uproar - thanx for all the comments.

Bottom line to all you Kmart shoppers, BUY ONE ASAP - the price WILL go up and in 2 years or so from now they will be alot more money - hide and watch.

Superb rifles - keep the comments coming

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ToddG
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posted 02-27-2002 13:08     Click Here to See the Profile for ToddG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just got some news from the rifle product manager. The black stock, blued barrel version of the .308 TRG-22 will no longer be imported into the US in favor of the phosphated version (available with either a black or green stock). The bad news is that the phosphated version is $300 more wholesale ($514 more suggested retail).

Larry the Prophet ...

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YeeDude
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posted 02-27-2002 13:59     Click Here to See the Profile for YeeDude   Click Here to Email YeeDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless it's against company policy, would you please quote us (me) the MSRP for the TRG 22? Thanks.

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Wilson2
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posted 03-03-2002 21:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Wilson2   Click Here to Email Wilson2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just picked up the latest copy GUNS Magazine, April 2002 issue. It has an article on the Sako TRG-22. The end of the article mentions a retail price of $2415.

Wilson2

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Mad Dog
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posted 03-03-2002 23:02     Click Here to See the Profile for Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know if the Sako TRG42 has the same extractor design as the other smaller caliber Sakos?
Does anyone have a picture of the bolt/bolt face/extractor on the TRG42?


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Tuukka
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posted 03-04-2002 07:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuukka   Click Here to Email Tuukka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mad Dog, if someone doesnt come up with a picture, i can take photos from one of the TRGs we have in the shop.

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Mad Dog
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posted 03-04-2002 10:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am specifically interested in the extractor on the .338 Lap Mag version.
If it is the same short external extractor with a plunger and spring to hold it in to the bolt, it will suffer the same failures during overpressure rounds and burst primers that the standard Sakos do. It needs to be longer, so it can not be blown out of the bolt and into the lug race in the breach. The AI version, although similar, addresses this problem with just such a longer extractor.
In short, I hope they have improved the extractor, if only on that rifle.

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ToddG
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posted 03-05-2002 10:30     Click Here to See the Profile for ToddG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mad Dog -- I don't know the first thing about the TRG or the extractor, so I could not tell you if the problem you identified has been "fixed." I do know that none of our customers has had a problem with the guns, or other Sako rifles, with extractors. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I haven't seen it given my limited experience with the rifles.

MSRP (and product codes) for the Sako TRG series:

TRG-22 in .308 Win with phosphate finish and black (JRSM316) or green (JRSM216) composite stock: $2,898

TRG-42 in .300 Win Mag with blued finish and black composite stock (JRSM131): $2,829

TRG-42 in .338 Lapua Mag with blued finish and black composite stock (JRSM135): $2,829

TRG-42 in .338 Lapua Mag with phosphate finish and green composite stock (JRSM235): $3,243

Those are the only combinations brought into the US, so please don't e-mail me asking for "phosphate .338 with black stock" or other combinations not listed above.

Stay safe ...

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straightblast
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posted 03-07-2002 10:26     Click Here to See the Profile for straightblast     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guy is advertising a couple of the 22's for sale on GunsAmerica for $1999.00...I don't know who he is.

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ToddG
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posted 03-07-2002 17:35     Click Here to See the Profile for ToddG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
straightblast -- assuming that was that was the (just discontinued last week) version with the blued barrel and black composite stock, the MSRP *was* $2,484.00 for that model.

Stay safe ...

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straightblast
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posted 03-07-2002 18:43     Click Here to See the Profile for straightblast     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks ToddG...I can't recall which he had. For those on the hunt for one, a FFL friend said Jerry's Sport Center also stocks the 22 and 42, with the 42 selling for like $2000 and change...$2049[?]...assuming I heard him correctly and recall correctly....in other words, I could be wrong. Again, no clue which color that was, or if they are in stock, etc.

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T. Kanaley
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posted 03-09-2002 10:38     Click Here to See the Profile for T. Kanaley   Click Here to Email T. Kanaley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend Marc Lyons at Shooting Sports Wholesale, has a TRG-42 .338 Lapua in stock in blued finish for $1960 (at least he did as of last week). sswguns@mindspring.com If you have an FFL or a dealer who will accept delivery, you are good to go.

I myself, have decided to hold out for the phosphated, green furniture version which I should receive sometime later this year, hopefully.

Thanks a bunch to Todd G, for his assistance on getting my order into the queue.

Tony

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Damon
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posted 03-10-2002 08:43     Click Here to See the Profile for Damon   Click Here to Email Damon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tony,

I was in your Counter Sniper I class at Thunder Ranch many years ago. I was the guy a few points over shooting the SR-25. You are seriously upgrading your hardware.

Cheers,
Damon

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